TPM Darth Sidious vs Darth Vader (ROTJ) and Galen Marek

Sidious as of the Phantom Menance

Vader as of Return of the Jedi

Galen as of the duel with Shaak Ti

Which iteration of Galen?

Sith iteration, during his duel with Shaak Ti, though I'm curious what your thoughts are if it was the Jedi iteration on the 1st Deathstar

fight with shak ti? he might as well be useless here then. in my book, vader 100% beats sheev before the amp. after he kills plagueis is tougher, but i still think he can pull a win.

Sidious ragdolls. Not a good fight.

like sheev did to vader in ROTJ?

Oh lord. 

Vader can hold off Sidious for a brief time, but he's outclassed in every category. A SK who struggles with Shaak Ti is fodder to Sheev. Even end of TFU Galen or Starkiller wouldn't be enough to give Vader the edge he needs to beat Sheev.

Utter mismatch.

Sidious wins in a blink. He's already blitzed someone faster than Vader in Maul.

Sidious, good speedblitz

yeah, no. vader aint getting blitzed. sheev blitzing a pre prime maul is already out of the equation, someone who would be around TPM kenobi's speed tier. 18 BBY vader is already faster than mustafar obi wan, and could move too fast for jedi to see. Vader in TFU2 was already fast enough to fight SK in a way that he could block every attack, pretty casually, always moving before SK moved. i do wonder how its an utter mismatch when vader has better feats and scaling than sheev too. better dueling accolades as well, and much, much greater experience in fighting force users. he prolly wont even get too hurt from sheev's attacks, since he can take on kriff from ROTJ sheev, who would stomp TPM sheev. Vader is also much stronger too, so the only thing sheev actually has going for him is agility, which vader can and has dealt with before.

Sidious wins in a blink. He's already blitzed someone faster than Vader in Maul.

@Azronger Out of curiosity, why is Maul > Vader in speed?

honestly, this is a cool fight. if someone wants to have a debate with me on this, im up for it.

Marek adds nothing to this fight. Sidious wins

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:honestly, this is a cool fight. if someone wants to have a debate with me on this, im up for it.

It really isn't, Galen is fodder here, and Vader is speedblitzed.

i already said gale is fodder here. and no, vader isnt being speed blitzed. i already explained why too lol

Misread this as ROTJ Sidious. Sheev wins but in a good fight against Vader while Galen gets murked. Vader is massively outclassed in sabers but can put up a good fight in the Force.

BreakofDawn wrote:Misread this as ROTJ Sidious. Sheev wins but in a good fight against Vader while Galen gets murked. Vader is massively outclassed in sabers but can put up a good fight in the Force.

TPM Sheev > Plagueis. There's no reason Vader can even put up a good fight with Plagy.

debate me on it.

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:debate me on it.

In an SS? Kinda busy, hence why I cancelled ours.

BreakofDawn wrote:Misread this as ROTJ Sidious. Sheev wins but in a good fight against Vader while Galen gets murked. Vader is massively outclassed in sabers but can put up a good fight in the Force.

I don't think Galen is a factor and Vader is outclassed in Force pretty heavily. Sidious is still comparable to Plagueis and holds a way better mastery at Force than a restricted Vader.

man, u guys really need to read the respect thread i made.

Lol. Why is Vader not getting ragdolled?

Vader dies, not ragdolled.

@ladykulvax i know how u feel now tbh lol