Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Darth Vader, Savage Opress and Galen Marek vs DE Darth Sidious

QuiGonDies wrote:Sidious one shots.

Azronger wrote:

QuiGonDies wrote:Sidious one shots.

Jake wrote:Dooku solos, good fight.

LadyKulvax wrote:They can only win in a duel.

dark-sith123 wrote:The Revenge of the Sith incarnation of Darth Sidious was able to tool Maul and Savage whilst holding back, and it was made clear from the beginning that Palpatine could one-shot the duo had he elected to do so. There is no reason why they would fare any better here. On a good day, Count Dooku can, at the very best, briefly pressure the likes of Yoda- still, it's implied in Dark Rendezvous that the gap between the Count and RotS Sidious is massive, a notion corroborated in TCW. Against a far more powerful version of Sidious, Tyranus is hopeless. Then we have Darth Vader, who Sidious brought to his knees via telepathy circa The Empire Strikes Back. Yes, Vader had not reached his peak, but the same can be said for Palpatine, who in Return of the Jedi killed prime Vader with a couple of stray lightning bolts. Lastly, there's... Galen Marek.
Large quantities of fodder can't do anything against an individual infinitely more powerful than them. Sidious wins rather comfortably.

In-sidiousvader wrote:

dark-sith123 wrote:The Revenge of the Sith incarnation of Darth Sidious was able to tool Maul and Savage whilst holding back, and it was made clear from the beginning that Palpatine could one-shot the duo had he elected to do so. There is no reason why they would fare any better here. On a good day, Count Dooku can, at the very best, briefly pressure the likes of Yoda- still, it's implied in Dark Rendezvous that the gap between the Count and RotS Sidious is massive, a notion corroborated in TCW. Against a far more powerful version of Sidious, Tyranus is hopeless. Then we have Darth Vader, who Sidious brought to his knees via telepathy circa The Empire Strikes Back. Yes, Vader had not reached his peak, but the same can be said for Palpatine, who in Return of the Jedi killed prime Vader with a couple of stray lightning bolts. Lastly, there's... Galen Marek.
Large quantities of fodder can't do anything against an individual infinitely more powerful than them. Sidious wins rather comfortably.

Well I mean I am a sheev supremacist, but much like Talzin tooling Dooku in TCW, Vader has a damn good excuse. Firstly what the F*ck is he to do when sheev did that in Heir to the Empire? He could take the Vitiate approach and decide to walk to his death. He could try and resist Sheev which would piss sheev off prompting Sidious to send the full might of the empire down on his head. Sheev has all the advantages, on top of the fact that if you actually read the passages, Vader wasn't expecting that, and it only happens for a second. A fully fledged Vader in his prime is likely superior or on the level of the masters of Telepathy. I don't think people realize how impressive ROTJ luke is, and he mindraped luke took his info on his sister, and then taunted him about it. So, please, don't use the telepathy showing, it has context, and means nothing

dark-sith123 wrote:The Revenge of the Sith incarnation of Darth Sidious was able to tool Maul and Savage whilst holding back, and it was made clear from the beginning that Palpatine could one-shot the duo had he elected to do so. There is no reason why they would fare any better here. On a good day, Count Dooku can, at the very best, briefly pressure the likes of Yoda- still, it's implied in Dark Rendezvous that the gap between the Count and RotS Sidious is massive, a notion corroborated in TCW. Against a far more powerful version of Sidious, Tyranus is hopeless. Then we have Darth Vader, who Sidious brought to his knees via telepathy circa The Empire Strikes Back. Yes, Vader had not reached his peak, but the same can be said for Palpatine, who in Return of the Jedi killed prime Vader with a couple of stray lightning bolts. Lastly, there's... Galen Marek.
Large quantities of fodder can't do anything against an individual infinitely more powerful than them. Sidious wins rather comfortably.

DC77 wrote:And none of that holds up anyway ISV, not that it matters given Vader was killed by Sheev's lightning while amped to the high Heavens.



OT-What I previously said in this thread.

Heathen wrote:The team wins.  Mostly for the reason that I address in regards to the second quote.

dark-sith123 wrote:The Revenge of the Sith incarnation of Darth Sidious was able to tool Maul and Savage whilst holding back, and it was made clear from the beginning that Palpatine could one-shot the duo had he elected to do so. There is no reason why they would fare any better here. On a good day, Count Dooku can, at the very best, briefly pressure the likes of Yoda- still, it's implied in Dark Rendezvous that the gap between the Count and RotS Sidious is massive, a notion corroborated in TCW. Against a far more powerful version of Sidious, Tyranus is hopeless. Then we have Darth Vader, who Sidious brought to his knees via telepathy circa The Empire Strikes Back. Yes, Vader had not reached his peak, but the same can be said for Palpatine, who in Return of the Jedi killed prime Vader with a couple of stray lightning bolts. Lastly, there's... Galen Marek.
Large quantities of fodder can't do anything against an individual infinitely more powerful than them. Sidious wins rather comfortably.

Toying means holding back?  Or do you have a statement that Sidious was holding back?

DC77 wrote:And none of that holds up anyway ISV, not that it matters given Vader was killed by Sheev's lightning while amped to the high Heavens.



OT-What I previously said in this thread.

For clarification, you are talking about when Vader tanked Sidious' lightning long enough to kill him, right?

In-sidiousvader wrote:@dark-sith123

As I stated in the other thread though there is massive context to your points. Firstly, as we previously established Vader is ~ Luke Skywalker at the time of ROTJ which gives him full access to Luke's feats. A distracted, exhausted, and defenseless luke was able to parry the lightning of Sidious who was in a superior iteration to ROTS. Why is this important? Well, when ROTS sidious decided to use his torture lightning against Maul, the Zabrak had no defense. He was on the floor screaming for mercy, in contrast a distracted Luke was able to parry (albeit for only a moment) ROTJ sidious's "toying" lightning. However, this little rant of mine, might be slightly off topic, as I completely agree DE sheev wins here

dark-sith123 wrote:

In-sidiousvader wrote:@dark-sith123

As I stated in the other thread though there is massive context to your points. Firstly, as we previously established Vader is ~ Luke Skywalker at the time of ROTJ which gives him full access to Luke's feats. A distracted, exhausted, and defenseless luke was able to parry the lightning of Sidious who was in a superior iteration to ROTS. Why is this important? Well, when ROTS sidious decided to use his torture lightning against Maul, the Zabrak had no defense. He was on the floor screaming for mercy, in contrast a distracted Luke was able to parry (albeit for only a moment) ROTJ sidious's "toying" lightning. However, this little rant of mine, might be slightly off topic, as I completely agree DE sheev wins here

Luke was not distracted, and his exhaustion is, as of now, unsubstantiated.

As for luke being exhausted, if you know how Dark Rage works, you know that a force user gets a temporary boost to their power, and then that boost dies away leaving them exhausted most of the time.

Furthermore, Luke only parried Sidious' assault momentarily. He was overwhelmed in a few seconds. Palpatine wasn't using his full power either- that lightning assault was clearly designed to torture Luke, not fry him on the spot.

He was caught off guard... and that same lightning dropped Maul to his knees. If you are going to argue Sidious went all out against Maul you can try that, but it won't work he could have oneshot him if he wanted to.

As for Maul, he had already been disarmed, ragdolled and subdued. There was no way in which he could have mounted any possible defense. Luke, on the other hand, was standing up and ready to face Sidious' wrath after turning him down. The comparison is nonsensical.

The Divine Source wrote:Valkorion handled a superior/arguably much superior (factoring in the Holocron especially) team, so DE Sidious should be fine...