Is there a link between telepathy and raw power?

KingofBlades wrote:As long as a character isn't disproportionately adept or inept at telepathy, then it can be used as an indicator of raw force power. However TK is generally a stronger indicator, so if TK feats are available, then use that as your primary proxy for power.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:My answer: No, as I've explained a multitude of times. That being said there's certainly a case to be made that it is.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:My answer: No, as I've explained a multitude of times. That being said there's certainly a case to be made that it is.

Why not? That seems like a controversial take.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:@DarthAnt66:

Reasoning detailed here.

Vitiate's TP =/= his lightning.

Furthermore, said lightning was charged (moreso than Revan's defence)

and Revan manages to negate 99% of the attack, transforming it from lethal (so much so that it'd dust him) to giving him only 3rd degree burns.

Vitiate charging a TK attack and him charging a lightning attack are going to have different results.

Vitiate was also enraged (after his lightning was deflected at him).

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:@DarthAnt66:

Reasoning detailed here.

Azronger wrote:TP is no different from any other type of feat.

Furthermore, said lightning was charged (moreso than Revan's defence)

and Revan manages to negate 99% of the attack,

transforming it from lethal (so much so that it'd dust him)

to giving him only 3rd degree burns.

Revan is capable of easily deflecting Vitiate's normal lightning as well.

Incorrect. Vitiate begins gaining his strength, Revan notices about a second later, then raises his hands and his defences to counter.

Baseless statistic.

Zero evidence of this.

If you're going to use Nyriss, she barely had any defence up versus Revan having several seconds to raise his own.

Revan was also saved by his droid and needed considerable time to recover. He was helpless against the onslaught.

Considering that a casual blast of lightning from Vitiate stopped Revan dead in his tracks, it wasn't "easily" deflected.

Azronger wrote:TP is no different from any other type of feat.

KingofBlades wrote:As long as a character isn't disproportionately adept or inept at telepathy, then it can be used as an indicator of raw force power. However TK is generally a stronger indicator, so if TK feats are available, then use that as your primary proxy for power.

Ergo, "said lightning was charged (moreso than Revan's defence)," as IG said. Vitiate was also transfixed in rage.

The statistic itself is baseless and debatable, but its meaning of Revan mitigating almost all the energy is significant for comparisons between the two.

IG said Revan's tutaminis turned something that would ash him into something that just gave him burns (note the metal armor). How's that a zero evidence claim?

Follow me here:

- Nyriss throws up an active Force barrier. Note active Force barriers are generally thrown up as an attack is happening, so none of that "barely" nonsense.
- Nyriss' super-charged Force lightning tore through her active Force barrier "unabated," meaning it was so much more powerful it wasn't even diminished.
- Vitiate's super-charged Force lightning is "infinitely" more powerful than Nyriss' super-charged Force lightning.

Vitiate poured so much of his power into his initial super-charged Force lightning attack that, despite wanting to kill Revan, his following long stream of lightning basically did no lasting harm against a Revan that wasn't even defending anymore or, per you, "helpless."

 That's a drop-off from insta-ashing Nyriss-tiers to not even causing third-degree burns on a "helpless" human trapped in metal

So, yes, Revan wholly exhausted his power supply and became "helpless," but Vitiate very-almost did as well.

I'm not sure what you're arguing, but I figure it's contesting that Nyriss would be insta-ashed by Vitiate's Force lightning. There's no way she wouldn't be.

How's Vitiate spamming Force lightning bolts while on his knees to prevent Revan from slicing off his head after being blasted backwards "casual"?

Vitiate's "serious" the entire fight, as made clear by being so freaked that Revan almost struck him down at the start that he then instituted the Emperor's Voice.

The 'primal-state-of-hatred, breaking-of-thousand-year-Force-philosophy, eyes-flashing-red' stuff is of an extra-ordinary Vitiate, yet Revan took that Vitiate on and did pretty damn good.

DarthAnt66 wrote:@BoD: To my current complete disillusionment, I wrote up an entire post then the Wifi shorted out when I submitted it, so I'll have to respond tomorrow.[hideedit]