Re: TPM Sidious vs ROTS Dooku

December 27th 2019, 5:31 pm

oh man, people still use the gillard dueling rating thing for this kriff? im honestly impressed.

January 17th 2020, 6:05 am

Curiosity.

January 17th 2020, 6:11 am

Sidious wins.

January 17th 2020, 6:24 am

Sidious comfortably

January 17th 2020, 6:26 am

Sidious uses his moves to force Dooku to surrender.

January 17th 2020, 6:29 am

@HellfireUnit @Latham2000 I disagree, Dooku has shown his ability to withstand the PT Titans in direct combat (namely, Yoda on Vjun). A Yoda that was arguably more powerful than his ROTS iteration. As Yoda was amped by Vjun as well, it's a far more impressive showing than if Dooku was the sole one amped. From TPM to ROTS, Sidious' power increases dramatically, hence why Dooku's (somewhat) relativity to Yoda is far more impressive than TPM Sidious.

January 17th 2020, 6:33 am

January 17th 2020, 6:35 am

As Yoda was amped by Vjun as well

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January 17th 2020, 6:37 am

BoD (Away) wrote:

As Yoda was amped by Vjun as well

January 17th 2020, 6:43 am

Aaaannnnyway, Yoda explicitly notes that Vjun Dooku is quite a bit more powerful than base Dooku (who he claims TCW Mace could match) and Yoda was fighting a two-front war as he was trying to resist the allure of the dark side at the same time.

Sidious is just more powerful. Skill is debatable, but Sidious is faster and can use his power to overwhelm the Count if he needs to.

January 17th 2020, 6:44 am

BoD (Away) wrote:Aaaannnnyway, Yoda explicitly notes that Vjun Dooku is quite a bit more powerful than base Dooku (who he claims TCW Mace could match) and Yoda was fighting a two-front war as he was trying to resist the allure of the dark side at the same time.

Sidious is just more powerful. Skill is debatable, but Sidious is faster and can use his power to overwhelm the Count if he needs to.

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Yoda was clearly amped in the novel as well, as were Anakin, Whie, and Scout. They were all amped, and while he is > Base Dooku, Yoda was amped too, and Yoda's belief that Mace might be able to match Dooku means jackshit as Dooku contends with Yoda himself, an amped iteration of Yoda nonetheless.

January 17th 2020, 6:46 am

January 17th 2020, 6:48 am

If it's pre-boost TPM Sidious, Dooku takes it.

If it's post-boost TPM Sidious, Sheev takes it.

January 17th 2020, 6:53 am

When did one author's intent > decades of lore surrounding nexuses?

Anyway, the novel itself says this:

Dooku brought his blade down toward the diminutive Jedi Master and Yoda parried, locking his blade against Dooku's. Yoda breathed, calming himself. "And yet, even here on Vjun, where the dark side whispers and whispers to me . . . love you enough to destroy you I do."

And with that he leapt backward, out the window. Yoda bounded after him. In the dark Vjun air it was all he could do not to leap after Dooku, to fall on him like a green thunderbolt and annihilate him utterly.

Yoda is actively fighting the pull of the dark side throughout the novel, which is incredibly powerful to the point that even Yoda is trying not to murk Dooku.

Also, Dooku is much more experienced in the use of the dark side, so even if Yoda were amped, Dooku has both far more experience and control with the nexus and how to channel its power. He'd honestly be a lot more effective at channelling its power than Yoda, amping him a lot more than his former master.

January 17th 2020, 6:53 am

NotAA3 wrote:If it's pre-boost TPM Sidious, Dooku takes it.

If it's post-boost TPM Sidious, Sheev takes it.

Should've specified, Pre Boost.

January 17th 2020, 6:54 am

BoD (Away) wrote:When did one author's intent > decades of lore surrounding nexuses?

Anyway, the novel itself says this:

Dooku brought his blade down toward the diminutive Jedi Master and Yoda parried, locking his blade against Dooku's. Yoda breathed, calming himself. "And yet, even here on Vjun, where the dark side whispers and whispers to me . . . love you enough to destroy you I do."

And with that he leapt backward, out the window. Yoda bounded after him. In the dark Vjun air it was all he could do not to leap after Dooku, to fall on him like a green thunderbolt and annihilate him utterly.

Yoda is actively fighting the pull of the dark side throughout the novel, which is incredibly powerful to the point that even Yoda is trying not to murk Dooku.

Also, Dooku is much more experienced in the use of the dark side, so even if Yoda were amped, Dooku has both far more experience and control with the nexus and how to channel its power.

Vjun is an exception. It corrupts force users and amps them.

January 17th 2020, 6:55 am

Corruption that Yoda is actively fighting against. So again: how was Yoda more powerful than normal when he's fighting Dooku and the nexus' effects at the same time?

January 17th 2020, 7:28 am

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I think it's possible for Jedi to tap into the higher concentration of Living Force energy in a nexus without succumbing to or being disturbed by its Dark Side alignment. Quinlan Vos and Revan are characters who skirt the edge and so aren't disturbed by dark side nexuses.

Also, nexuses have different characteristics. I think Zygoola, Nathema and Malachor V are more disturbing than Vjun or The Works.

January 17th 2020, 7:40 am

BoD (Away) wrote:When did one author's intent > decades of lore surrounding nexuses?

Anyway, the novel itself says this:

Dooku brought his blade down toward the diminutive Jedi Master and Yoda parried, locking his blade against Dooku's. Yoda breathed, calming himself. "And yet, even here on Vjun, where the dark side whispers and whispers to me . . . love you enough to destroy you I do."

And with that he leapt backward, out the window. Yoda bounded after him. In the dark Vjun air it was all he could do not to leap after Dooku, to fall on him like a green thunderbolt and annihilate him utterly.

Yoda is actively fighting the pull of the dark side throughout the novel, which is incredibly powerful to the point that even Yoda is trying not to murk Dooku.

Also, Dooku is much more experienced in the use of the dark side, so even if Yoda were amped, Dooku has both far more experience and control with the nexus and how to channel its power. He'd honestly be a lot more effective at channelling its power than Yoda, amping him a lot more than his former master.

"In the dark, drunken Vjun air, Yoda was terrible to behold."

"Just having a little fun," Whie said, appearing. "Scout, it's incredible. There's something about this place-can't you feel it? I've never felt the Force so strongly. Normally I would have to concentrate just to hold all these bones in the air, but here..." He hummed, waving his lightsaber like a conductor's baton. The two skeletons joined hands and began to dance.

"I love this planet. It's just steeped in the Force. I could feel it the moment we touched the atmosphere. I'm usually a good pilot-" "Great pilot," Obi-Wan admitted. "-But here it was like the ship's hull and my skin were the same thing. I could feel exactly how much heat she could take, how much torque, how many rolls..."

Anakin hung in the air for an impossibly long time, let himself fall at last into a shoulder roll, two more shots at a droid trying to sneak up behind him, taking off its weapon hand and blowing out a knee, and then he was standing, perfectly balanced, with the blaster pistols steaming in the thin Vjun rain. "I could walk on water," he said.

”The difference between Coruscant and here is like the difference between swimming in fresh water and in the ocean. I feel so buoyant."

"A cabinet exploded in a shower of debris. Ventress was swinging for the girl, but the Force was strong in Scout, too, in this place and hour, and her parry was there before the killing blow could fall."

"Usually the Force only helped Scout predict her enemies' moves when they were face-to-face, but the air of Vjun was rich even for her, and a prickling premonition had danced over her skin seconds before the caves started to collapse."

All of the Jedi were amped by this nexus, so it's only logical that Yoda is as well. The author himself clarifies that Yoda and Dooku are both able to "surf" Vjun's nexus, implying that Yoda's capable of using the nexus too, which he does. Dooku's shown from his performance against Yoda that he's probably only < him, if not <=.